Thursday, January 14, 2016

Anglican Woes

This references an article on the recent spasms in the Anglican cult as the "conservative" portions try to decide what to do about the American branch.  The immediate conflict is the American's conversion to the GLBT religion, which requires a complete rejection of everything the Bible teaches about sexual morality.  By the time they reach this stage, post-Christian theologians have invariably rejected and negated the Bible's teaching on everything, so that it would be more appropriate to call them "anti-Christian" and an "anti-Church".  One result of this is the rapid drop in attendance as they have lost 2.7% of their members in the year from 2013 to 2014.  This is one of those inevitable consequences of the inversion of the Christian theology, since those who desire to live a morally pure life and to be forgiven for their sins will find it necessary to seek God for help, while those who desire to live a morally decadent life and to be forgiven for their good deeds will soon find that they can achieve their goals without any assistance from God.

What does puzzle me is the forbearance of the "conservative" portion with this abomination.  If they were conservative, they would likely have ejected the American branch long ago, but somehow they just can't seem to let go.  Part of me says that the conservatives aren't really conservative, but perhaps merely traditionalists who don't know why their tradition is the way it is and can't defend it, but don't want it to change.  A side conclusion is that I am not so worried about the decline of Christianity in the US that is reported in the media recently, since both Christianity and anti-Christianity are included in the statistics on Christianity, and it is the anti-Christian portion of so-called Christianity that is apostatizing at the high rate.  But the anti-Christians who apostatize from anti-Christianity always claim that they are apostatizing from Christianity, rather than apostatizing from anti-Christianity, which makes the apostatization rather confusing.


Max Coutinho said...

Hi Looney,

We need to know how much money the American side generates, even with the 2.3% decrease in attendance, and we should have a proper explanation.
I agree with you on the anti-Christianity within Christianity and we can draw a parallel with Judaism too: within Judaism we have anti-Judaism too. And now that I'm starting to study about the Circassians (in Israel) and the Ahmadiyah plus the Sufis (all considered Kuffar by Sunnis and Shiites, probably for rejecting violence), I can now say there's also an Islam and an anti-Islam.

We are living in troubled yet interesting times.
Have a blessed weekend :)

Looney said...


The mainline churches like the Anglicans have much less giving than the conservative churches by the live members. Instead they get most of their money when rich people die and leave a portion of their fortune to a well known church or seminary, which is invariably of the anti-Christian religion. In a few cases, the dead rich person's fortune was dedicated to Christianity, but then hijacked by anti-Christian zealots, as in the case of Stanford University. It is best to do your charity while you are alive!

The irony here is that conservative Christians are commanded to do charity with their own resources yet banned from advertising their charity by Jesus. The stingy anti-Christians are exploiting this and forever condemning the true Christians.

It would be good to learn more about Islam's varieties. There is still the difference that Christians have a duty to be patient with anti-Christians, but Muslims have a duty to smite the anti-Muslims.

Max Coutinho said...


I see what you mean. It's sad that some religious groups have started worshipping money (if I'm being unfair, do not hesitate to correct me).
Jesus, as the Rabbi he was, taught not to advertise about charity. In Judaism we are taught not to advertise our charitable actions, but many Jews do it just the same; so I'm not surprised that Christians (or anti-Christians) do it as well. It's all vanity..."vanity under the sun".

"The stingy anti-Christians are exploiting this and forever condemning the true Christians."

Oh, I know. Again, the parallel could be drawn. I think we are experiencing a battle between the true religious people and the fake ones. And then we have yet another battle with the atheists and agnostics (good grief).

Christians are too good for their own good :).


Looney said...

I don't know about Christians being "too good for their own good", but hopefully they can be less bad than they would be otherwise!

As for the money, the old mainline denominations hold all the property centrally, so that if a congregation decides to leave the anti-Christian mother organization, they are forced to abandon their property, even if they built it themselves and maintained it for 200 years. The anti-Christians will kick the more orthodox congregation out and sell the church building to a developer, which the courts invariably support. Fundamentalists tend to independent congregations which each own their own property, thus eliminating this problem.

But I think the driving factor is a craving to be a spiritual leader and be known as a Rabbi. It seems to me that people from all cultures desire to have such a position at a similar rate, even if they call themselves atheists or agnostics.

Max, have a good weekend! Ours is a long one due to the holiday.

Rummuser said...

Let me just say that I found your post and the exchange here in the comments section very interesting. The Anglican Church in India has been undergoing a series of change and since some of my relatives from my late wife's side are part of the current versions, I have followed their changes with some interest. You might find this interesting -

Looney said...

Rummuser, I didn't know there was an Anglican Church of India, but that would certainly make sense given the bit of English influence in India! The wiki article doesn't give much detail, but it does link to their web site. Apparently the courts of India are establishing some of the fringe religious theology of the American Anglicans, which is irritating the Indian Anglicans.