Saturday, September 26, 2015

Obama's Religion?

The subject of the religion of a politician is always tricky.  One viewpoint is that it is personal and therefore none of our business.  This ignores the fact that the behavior of people and their policies often has a direct connect to their religion, and in a Democracy it is our business to choose politicians based on how we think they will behave.  Another viewpoint is that someone's religion is inherently unknowable, so why bother?  Then the cynics chime in and note that the only deity that a politician cares anything about is himself.  Another rhetorical angle is the "who are you to question his faith"?  Technically, I believe we all have a faith and I don't question that.  I just want to know "faith in What?"  Is it a faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster that drives atheists?  What is it?  From my perspective, a politician's religion does matter and we can list possibilities and impossibilities regarding the First Religion, but we must acknowledge that only at the final judgment will the nuances be made clear.

First we must consider the American context.  For the last century, if anything correct was taught about Christianity (or Islam) in the government schools, clerics would immediately start litigation alleging a violation of "the Constitutional separation of Church and State".  If anything wrong was taught, this would be defended by the same clerics as "freedom of intellectual inquiry" and that to become mature thinkers, students would need to be exposed to ideas they didn't like.  The result being that most graduates from Ivy League schools these days have notions of religion, history and philosophy that are completely garbled and divorced from reality.  To some extent both Obama and I are products of this same indoctrination program, as are just about all Americans.  To find out more about Christianity, we are typically shaped by the denomination we associate with - if indeed we do associate with one - or else we spend a lot of time investigating matters ourselves, which few do.  Then there is the Bible itself, which is the primary source of Christian teaching, unless you are a Papist or some other group that deprecates the Bible.

So one way to answer this question is to look at the religious organizations that people associate with.  Obama was famously with the United Church of Christ.  This is an extremist sect that uses the Bible, but negates most of the teaching.  For example, it was at the forefront of ordaining gay priests and promoting hyper-promiscuity as if the Biblical command to "love your neighbor as yourself" was primarily to be understood in sexual terms, in spite of all the more numerous commands to restrain your sexual impulses.  I listened to an Easter sermon from Obama's church (a Black congregation) which featured imagery of Christ and the Crucifixion, but then switched to imagery of a lynching, ignored the resurrection, and offered up a conclusion that was purely Victim Theology:  The belief that others have sinned against me, which is the only thing that matters.  Certainly the Black community has suffered, but the UCC has not only been useless in helping the Black family to recover, they have been actively working to make the problem worse by transferring the ownership of the concept of the family to the LGBTQ activists.

Then there was Obama's preacher with his famous "God Damn America" sermon, which has a similar ring to "Death to America".  One is tempted to think that the Mohammedans merely wish for America to die, but Jeremiah Wright wants America to burn in Hell forever.  This certainly reflects the view of a large portion of America.  The Bible teaches us to look at ourselves for the answer, but Victim Theology teaches us to look at others and assume that what ever they have, they got by stealing.  The result is that many who are richer and better off than 90% of the world's population are burning with rage about how they have been mistreated.  Another result is the White House's foray into the War on Cops.

The most curious Christian variant is that of the Social Justice movement.  Orthodox Christians are commanded to do good and charity with their own time and money.  Leftists have famously improved on this by doing charity with other people's time and money.  Just as taking out loans and investing in the stock market permits people to make a huge profit compared to the dumb heads who only invest what they can spare, so a penniless deadbeat can do charity that vastly exceeds what any Orthodox Christian can do.  The deadbeat along with the Pope can look down their noses at the churlish Christians who have constrained themselves by their depravity to never give more than 100% of what they have.

So where was I?  Obama's religion.  I don't see any evidence that his religion has any connection to Islam.  Clearly it is informed by Christianity and the Bible in some sense, but we must keep in mind that even Satan quoted scripture.  I think Obama's religion is simply a reflection of what is preached in the government schools by America's intellectual elite along with many of the modernist churches, which can be characterized as follows:

"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.  And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.  And in their greed they will exploit you with false words.  Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." - 2 Peter 2:1-3


Delirious said...

I think you are right about his religion, but his father was muslim, so that does make people wonder.

Looney said...

They may be right that Obama is a Muslim by birth, just as those born to Jews are Jews by birth. But the Jewish religion is largely atheist, so they can be atheists and Jews at the same time. Less common are the Messianic Jews who are simultaneously Jews and Christians.

Rummuser said...

Let me give some more tobacco to put in to the pipe to smoke up a cloud!

Looney said...

@Rummuser, universalism first made its appearance in the US several centuries ago, thus, Harvard Theological Seminary was dedicated to this from its founding. I was surprised recently to hear a Muslim at work mention this belief, since this is contrary to Mohammadism. Obama's religion has been preaching a doctrine of universal salvation since he was young. But Jesus answered the universalists with the extended Golden Rule:

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." - Matthew 7:12-14

If the modern universalists of the western type weren't always at the forefront of promoting vice, mocking virtue, creating social chaos and behaving in a lawless manner, I would need to consider my view of them!

Looney said...

@Rummuser, I also think the western universalist thinking is behind the drive to import large quantities of Mohammedans into Europe and America. They have been teaching "all religions are alike" to the point that any evidence to the contrary is brushed aside as the work of extremists. It will be fun to see how this experiment works out!

Rummuser said...

It will work out in disaster of a magnitude not ever seen in both continents.

Max Coutinho said...

Hi Looney,

I'm glad you brought this subject up.
Recently, after Ben Carson expressed his opinion about having or not a Muslim President, the DNC shoutted in shock that Carson was being a racist because in America, and by the constitution, religion was not a factor influencing elections.
Of course, the immediate question that popped up in my mind was: then why did President Obama had to pretend to be a Christian (by attending a shoddy church)? He believes in G-d but he has no religion, yet he had to pretend to have one to be elected.
No replies from Democrats.

Jeremiah Wright is one of those who want to keep black people down (i.e. waste time victimising themselves instead of doing something to better their lives and that of their communities') otherwise he has no reason to exist and preach. I abhore that sort of folks - they are like leftists.

"Jewish religion is largely atheist"? Don't let the Rabbis hear this. There's no such thing as an atheist Jew - it's just another uber secular (usually left-wing) delusion. However, Judaism is more than a religion, it's actually an ethnicity; but still, I don't see how one can say that Jewish religion is largely atheist (it sounds very contradictory).

Good post.


Looney said...

@Max, there is a lot that resonates with me in that comment!

My impression is that many of those who rage about social injustice would be even more unhappy if there were no injustice to rage about!

Depending on the Rabbi, I wouldn't mind teasing her. There are orthodox Jews that I believe are sincere. But then there are those who remind me of King Manasseh of Judah. And probably a mix of others.

My use of the term "atheist" is admittedly quite abusive of the term. Those who hate God often call themselves atheists, but you cannot hate so bitterly what it is that you don't believe in. This applies to many who call themselves Christians as well. Or to put it another way, I tend to refer to characters like Cain and Satan as "atheist", even though they are clearly not!

Max Coutinho said...


"My impression is that many of those who rage about social injustice would be even more unhappy if there were no injustice to rage about!"

100% Agreed.

When I speak of Rabbis, I refer to Orthodox Rabbis and the Haredim - Reformists and Constructivists are not my cup of tea, although I'm not as quick as most orthodox to throw them under the bus either. However, I do have a problem with the reformist way of circumventing the Torah (when G-d was clear about doing that).
Men are imperfect. Rabbis are men. You have some good and you have some bad ones.

There's no such thing as atheism. The so-called "atheists" are lying to themselves.

"you cannot hate so bitterly what it is that you don't believe in."

Right? Ergo, they are lying to themselves.

I think I'm starting to understand your "abusive" use of the term "atheist": you were criticising those Jews who claim to be so while rejecting their Creator. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Have a blessed weekend, Looney :D