Thursday, March 15, 2012

Wordpress struggles ... trying to respond to Ramana.

I gotta log into Wordpress, but will need to figure out how to do this later.  Anyway, I passed a quote to him that he has included in one of his posts:

Psalm 82:6 - "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High'".

The Old Fossil noted that this was from the Old Testament, thus, not the words of Jesus.  This misses the fact that this particular verse was specifically highlighted by Jesus:

"Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" - John 10:34-36

Ramana was comparing this a bit to the beliefs that we are all part of an extended God.  It reminds me a bit of Spinoza's view that everything is in God, but I would not want to assert that they are the same.  My tentative view of the Jewish/Christian interpretation is that we have an eternal existence and our created in the image of God - thus, the assertion that we are 'gods'.  Yet at the same time we are eternally distinct and subordinate to the one God who created us.


Rummuser said...

The log in problem has disabled many of my comments on other WP blogs too. I am waiting for the resident geek to return to teach me how to log in!

Your interpretation is fair enough. That too is a school here called the Dvaita or Visishtaadvaita. If you are interested, you can google for both.

It is suggested that depending on one's emotional stage of development, one can choose the path s/he prefers to reach God. Bhakti or devotion route for the highly emotional, Karma for the active and Gyana for the thinking person. Each has its validity and one is not superior or inferior to the others.

That is why I call the whole system an Anarchy!

Delirious said...

We believe that we are all spirit children of God.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:16,1;7
But Jesus Christ is the only actual physically begotten. "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." 1 John 4:9 This makes Abraham's attempted sacrifice of Isaac even more meaningful.

The other thing I wanted to mention is that we believe that Jesus Christ, before He was born, was known as Jehovah. From the Old Testament we read the Lord saying,
3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 43, 3,11
From the New Testament we read,
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:10-12
In the Old Testament scripture, Jehovah is speaking, and says that He is the Savior. In Acts we read that there is none other name but Jesus Christ by which we must be saved. Basically, Jehovah and Jesus are the same person. There are a lot of examples of these kinds of scriptures between the Old and New Testament.

Delirious said...

Oh, I meant to say that I've had some struggles with Word Press too. :S

Rummuser said...

Just above the box for comments, there is an icon for wordpress. If you click on it, it asks you to log in and after that, it is easy to post.

Max Coutinho said...

Hi Looney,

"My tentative view of the Jewish/Christian interpretation is that we have an eternal existence and our created in the image of God - thus, the assertion that we are 'gods'. Yet at the same time we are eternally distinct and subordinate to the one God who created us."

We are made to God's image, thus we have His essence. Does that make us "gods"? Some would say that yes, but like you said those "gods" would still be distinct and subordinate to the One God (who created us all).
Question: are Angels gods?


Looney said...

@Rummuser, it sounds like you got quite a variety of opinions to work with!

Looney said...

@Delirious, not too much comment for me to make. My Hebrew studies indicate that the word Jehovah derives from the verb "to be".

Looney said...

@Max, I am afraid if I say anything more on this subject, I should be condemned as a heretic and taken out and hung! But then again, if you never say anything wrong you will never get your ideas corrected!

The word "god" doesn't have a precise definition that I am aware of, thus, adding to the murkiness of the topic. Ignoring the "god" label, I will stick my neck out a bit and suggest that angels are more in the servant category, whereas humans can be adopted - through Jesus Christ - into a position as children. That humans, angels, and their fallen counterparts are all eternal beings is assumed.

Ursula said...

Sorry, Looney, to correct you: All the four seasons "Fruehling, Sommer, Herbst und Winter" are masculine. You may have been thinking of 'der Mond'(masculine) und 'die Sonne' (fem). Whereas in French 'la lune' is feminine et 'le soleil' solidly masculine. Why? I have no idea. The French tend to be contrary.

I know gender causes some consternation between those whose first language is English. I do not quite understand why this should be so. Maybe it's always been easy for me (including conjugation) as English is not my mother tongue, and I learnt two other European languages alongside Latin (and Greek) at an age when my brain wasn't yet fully formed and would absorb, with ease, anything thrown at it.


Looney said...

Ursula, thanks for correcting me. It has been a very long time since I studied German, and I should have checked more! I tried to check via the internet, but either misread or was mislead.

Is your wordpress working smoothly again?