Thursday, January 12, 2012

Gregory Nazianzen (329-390AD), Bruce Willis and The Fifth Element.

These orations are roughly as convoluted as the movie.  I would not have thought there was any connection, but it seems I am wrong, so here goes:

"But if we are to assert that He is immaterial (as for example that Fifth Element which some have imagined), and that He is carried round in the circular movement ... let us assume that He is immaterial, and that He is the Fifth Element; and, if they please, let Him be also bodiless in accordance with the independent drift and arrangement of their argument;..." - Gregory Nazianzen, Oration XXVIII.

In the movie, the Fifth Element that saves mankind is Love, while the Fifth Element that Gregory is referring to is God.  The Bible then connects the two:

" ... for God is love." - 1 John 4:8

Before we get too carried away, however, it must be noted that Gregory is condemning the notion of God being composed of the Fifth Element along with the related baggage as being a heresy.  What makes Gregory's orations convoluted is that he somehow feels he needs to itemize and condemn every possible error known throughout the history of mankind in addition to that the of the Eunomians who were the ones who got him going in the first place.  An apt sentence begins this series of long-winded lectures:

"For there are certain persons who have not only their ears and their tongues, but even, as I now perceive, their hands too, itching for our words; who delight in profane babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called, and strifes about words, which tend to no profit; for so Paul, the Preacher and Establisher of the "Word cut short," the disciple and teacher of the Fishermen, calls all that is excessive or superfluous in discourse." - Oration XXVII

There are still several hours of this set for me to listen to.  But now, it is time for me to end my own profane babblings and cease engaging in excessive and superfluous discourse.  Good Night!

4 comments:

Delirious said...

I recently sat in on a discussion that the missionaries had with a woman who is not a member of our church. As they discussed the resurrection, they asked her if she believed that we will be resurrected. She said that she did not believe that we need our bodies after we die. I explained to her that Jesus Christ was resurrected so that we all could be resurrected. We have progressed to this point of receiving a body, and if we do not resurrect, then we are "regressing" back to our spirit state. Surely eternity is about progression, not damnation. Damnation is the state of not progressing. So too, it does not make sense that we would receive bodies, and resurrect, but God Himself would not have one.

Dee Ice Hole said...

With all that running around in your head I hope you slept good.

Ursula said...

"For there are certain persons who have not only their ears and their tongues, but even, as I now perceive, their hands too, itching for our words; who delight in profane babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called, and strifes about words, which tend to no profit; for so Paul, the Preacher and Establisher of the "Word cut short," the disciple and teacher of the Fishermen, calls all that is excessive or superfluous in discourse." - Oration XXV

Thank you for that, Looney. I feel suitably chastened. As, no doubt, a lot of Italians and their extremities will too.

Most unprofitably yours,

U

Max Coutinho said...

Looney,

Very good interconnection.

Of course, to me the Fifth Element is not Love but the Spirit because God created the elements (Air, Fire, Water and Earth) that help ruling this world and the next; however the key to open the Door is the Spirit (devoid of matter), which was also created by God. Know what I mean?

Your discourse is never excessive nor superfluous, if I may say so.

Cheers